Uot of army, just married, had just enough bible to get me in trouble. Joined LDS, started attending. Ran into a problem with, THE BIBLE IS TRUE IN AS MUCH AS IT HAS BEEN TRANSLATED CORRECTLY.
When questioned I was told to pray about it. A pastor said to me to be careful of cults with their own books. LDS,JW ect.
My answer is if your god is not big enough to keep his word then don't follow him.
Tongues can be faked, the enemy does his best to pervert the Holy Order, men do as they do when they lean upon their own understanding and next thing you know, something of beauty gets mired in something dirty.
Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, no matter how filthy the water.
One of the many deception's is how we are to be our brother's keeper, some become judgemental in their pride in their understanding of scripture. The surest barrier to The Truth being one's steadfastness in their belief they already hold it in perpetuity. Discussions and speaking Truth, however, is not judgement. Instruction, direction, discernment, prayer, and comment done without malice is edifying to the church, while the same done with a tone of superiority will be seen as conflict, judgment, and attack. One way builds, the other destroys, these fruits are easy to discern. One is of Our Father in Heaven, the other from the adversary, the accuser of the brethren.
I was agreeing with you, my apologies if I was unclear. Prayer is how we gain wisdom and discernment, when we react out of an emotional response, we are generally react out of the flesh and not The Spirit. People respond with judgement instead of grace. When we take a moment to pray about it and seek wisdom, we often find ways of asking questions and learning instead of creating conflict and division
You are incorrect. There is also private use in prayer: Tongues can also be used in personal prayer, where interpretation is NOT required. This is referred to as "praying in the Spirit" (1 Corinthians 14:4, 14-15). When used this way, the believer is communicating directly with God, and it may not involve a message that needs interpretation for others.
Yet you shout lesser? ANYTIME that I can speak directly with God...it does not get any greater than that...and WHY would someone fake that? To whom does it benefit?
The gifts of the Holy Spirit, also known as spiritual gifts, are various abilities granted to believers by the Holy Spirit to serve the body of Christ. These gifts are mentioned in several passages of the New Testament, particularly in Romans 12:6-8, 1 Corinthians 12:4-11, 1 Corinthians 12:28-31, and Ephesians 4:11.
Here are the commonly listed gifts, totaling 21 when considering various interpretations and categorizations:
Wisdom
Knowledge
Faith
Healing
Miraculous powers
Prophecy
Distinguishing between spirits (Discernment)
Speaking in different kinds of tongues
Interpretation of tongues
Apostleship
Teaching
Helping (Service)
Guidance (Administration)
Encouragement (Exhortation)
Giving
Leadership
Mercy
Evangelism
Pastoring (Shepherding)
Hospitality
Intercession
These gifts are believed to be given to believers to build up the church and help others grow in their faith.
There are rules for church as laid out in the same letters as others are quoting and I just prefer to spend my time studying the word and praying for the Wisdom of The Holy Spirit instead of joining the enemy and becoming the accuser of the brethren. If a church is not being run by the word and teaching the word, bring it to someone's attention, if they fail to act, maybe you are unequally yoked and in the wrong church but any time we spend focused on the speck of dust in our brothers eye is time that would be better spent working on the plank in our own. Time is the one unknown variable hidden from us, how much we have, when it's up, when He returns. I vote we spend whatever of it we have, focused on chasing after the hem of His garment as fast as we can. I don't want to trip, so I do my best to watch my own feet
May I ask a question. What translation are you using. I use several. NIV. KJV ...
Mostly ESV.
Uot of army, just married, had just enough bible to get me in trouble. Joined LDS, started attending. Ran into a problem with, THE BIBLE IS TRUE IN AS MUCH AS IT HAS BEEN TRANSLATED CORRECTLY.
When questioned I was told to pray about it. A pastor said to me to be careful of cults with their own books. LDS,JW ect.
My answer is if your god is not big enough to keep his word then don't follow him.
LDS...is a cult. Period. Find a good local church.
No one can fake raising the dead.
Or walking on water.
Or healing the truly sick.
The one basic gift of the spirit is the gift of helps.
Tongues can be faked.
Opinion noted.
Will pray that you discover the truth before it is too late.
Here to serve...
To late for what? Tongues is a lesser gift. Paul said to seek a greater gift. Don't you read your book??
Tongues can be faked, the enemy does his best to pervert the Holy Order, men do as they do when they lean upon their own understanding and next thing you know, something of beauty gets mired in something dirty.
Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, no matter how filthy the water.
True. But it divides. You have everybody clucking in tounges with out interpretation and it is chaos?? That is not the HOLY SPIRIT.
How about you spend more time in prayer and less time being everyone's judge?
One of the many deception's is how we are to be our brother's keeper, some become judgemental in their pride in their understanding of scripture. The surest barrier to The Truth being one's steadfastness in their belief they already hold it in perpetuity. Discussions and speaking Truth, however, is not judgement. Instruction, direction, discernment, prayer, and comment done without malice is edifying to the church, while the same done with a tone of superiority will be seen as conflict, judgment, and attack. One way builds, the other destroys, these fruits are easy to discern. One is of Our Father in Heaven, the other from the adversary, the accuser of the brethren.
My comment about was not to a brother...but to someone who was actually doing the judging.
I was agreeing with you, my apologies if I was unclear. Prayer is how we gain wisdom and discernment, when we react out of an emotional response, we are generally react out of the flesh and not The Spirit. People respond with judgement instead of grace. When we take a moment to pray about it and seek wisdom, we often find ways of asking questions and learning instead of creating conflict and division
You are incorrect. There is also private use in prayer: Tongues can also be used in personal prayer, where interpretation is NOT required. This is referred to as "praying in the Spirit" (1 Corinthians 14:4, 14-15). When used this way, the believer is communicating directly with God, and it may not involve a message that needs interpretation for others.
Yet you shout lesser? ANYTIME that I can speak directly with God...it does not get any greater than that...and WHY would someone fake that? To whom does it benefit?
Remind me. What chapter is on the gifts?
The gifts of the Holy Spirit, also known as spiritual gifts, are various abilities granted to believers by the Holy Spirit to serve the body of Christ. These gifts are mentioned in several passages of the New Testament, particularly in Romans 12:6-8, 1 Corinthians 12:4-11, 1 Corinthians 12:28-31, and Ephesians 4:11.
Here are the commonly listed gifts, totaling 21 when considering various interpretations and categorizations:
Wisdom
Knowledge
Faith
Healing
Miraculous powers
Prophecy
Distinguishing between spirits (Discernment)
Speaking in different kinds of tongues
Interpretation of tongues
Apostleship
Teaching
Helping (Service)
Guidance (Administration)
Encouragement (Exhortation)
Giving
Leadership
Mercy
Evangelism
Pastoring (Shepherding)
Hospitality
Intercession
These gifts are believed to be given to believers to build up the church and help others grow in their faith.
There are rules for church as laid out in the same letters as others are quoting and I just prefer to spend my time studying the word and praying for the Wisdom of The Holy Spirit instead of joining the enemy and becoming the accuser of the brethren. If a church is not being run by the word and teaching the word, bring it to someone's attention, if they fail to act, maybe you are unequally yoked and in the wrong church but any time we spend focused on the speck of dust in our brothers eye is time that would be better spent working on the plank in our own. Time is the one unknown variable hidden from us, how much we have, when it's up, when He returns. I vote we spend whatever of it we have, focused on chasing after the hem of His garment as fast as we can. I don't want to trip, so I do my best to watch my own feet
Let us not forsake the assembly of believers.💖
Absolutely, sitting at home, watching a televangelist sell you some miracle water is not as edifying to the church body as some seem to think